 Jerry Falwell Remarks (5 views)
From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/18/2001 8:01 am  
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Today's Headlines: What It Really Means to be Pro-Life

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Subject:   What It Really Means to be Pro-Life
Source:   Pro-Life Infonet; September 18, 2001

What It Really Means to be Pro-Life
by Steven Ertelt

[Steven Ertelt is the President of Women and Children First and the Editor
of the Pro-Life Infonet. He can be reached at ertelt@prolifeinfo.org


Nothing I could write will make last week's event any more meaningful. I
have no beautifully-worded speeches or wise sayings to recall that can
bring a tear to one's eye or provide greater clarity as to the magnitude
of the travesty we've witnessed. I have no heartfelt stories to tell of
11th hour cell phone calls. I bear no pictures of missing friends or
family.

Many have spoken more elegantly than me -- from President Bush's
comforting words and demonstration of leadership following the crashes to
Billy Graham's candor and acknowledgment that his faith in God is the only
answer he has to the question of why evil exists in our world.

Yet, I'm struck by the enormous unity and perseverance of the American
people. Time and time again we rally around our common beliefs in freedom,
sacrifice, and love for both our neighbors and fellow citizens we don't
know. America is speaking with one voice against the acts of war
perpetrated by these suicide bombers and we're shouting together with
alacrity and fervor that we will not sit idly by and allow our nation to
be brought to its knees by those who despise us.

With some exceptions.

Sadly, the Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and others shattered the moments
of silence around the nation in remembrance of those who died with words
of scorn and condemnation. They and others blamed the horrific deaths of
thousands on numerous political groups with whom they disagree --
including abortion advocates. In so doing they trivialized their deaths
and wrongfully exploited this senseless travesty for political gain.

Thankfully, I did not know anyone killed or injured as a result of the
attacks on New York City and Washington, DC. I can only empathize and
share from afar the grief thousands of Americans must feel as a result of
the loss of friends and loved ones. However, I can only imagine friends
and family of the victims found Falwell's and Robertson's words terribly
offensive -- that somehow someone or some group other than a bunch of
crazed vigilante terrorists are to blame for the deaths of people close to
them.

In some respects, theirs was the right message at the wrong time.

Yes, abortion has been a tremendous scar on our country. Yes, God must
mourn the lives of 40 million unborn children. Yes, the number of
abortions in one day almost equals the number of lives taken on Tuesday,
September 11th.

However, as a Christian, I firmly believe now is the time to focus on the
grace and peace the Lord offers through the death of Jesus Christ. Now is
a time for hope and healing instead of chastisement and condemnation.

We don't need to use this travesty to put another rhetorical tool against
abortion in our quiver. We already have all the opportunity we need and
all the information we need to educate the public on the travesty of
abortion without using these attacks as some kind of springboard or
comparison. If we feel obligated to do so, we ought to ask ourselves what
we've been doing for the last 28 years to stop abortion. If we've truly
presented pro-life perspective we ought not feel compelled to advance it
now on the back of such a tragic situation.

Jesus said no greater love is shown than when we lay down our lives for
our friends. This is the example He gave us through His torturous death on
the cross. This is the kind of pro-life spirit we have seen over the last
several days.

Stories have already surfaced of selfless acts that typify the Christian,
pro-life values we ought to celebrate and aggressively promote.

* Several passengers on Flight 93 band together to prevent their plane
from becoming the fourth to crash violently into an important building or
public place killing hundreds if not thousands of people. One of the
passengers is a Christian who helps overtake the terrorists and makes
several calls to his wife to share his love with her and to help provide
descriptions of the terrorists for authorities.

* In a World Trade Center already ablaze, one man carries a
wheelchair-bound disabled woman down at least 40 flights of stairs rather
than allow her to fend for herself in a crumbling building.

* Perhaps as many as 200 firefighters, police officers and other rescue
workers rushed into a burning World Trade Center to save as many lives as
possible. Little did they know they would be making the ultimate act of
sacrifice when the buildings collapsed and they too became casualties of
this brutal terrorist attack.

* A Catholic ministers to victims of the plane crashes in New York City.
As the buildings crumble and the twin towers fall, he becomes a victim
himself.

* Following the tragic events, millions of Americans unite together in
candlelight vigils, to attend special church ceremonies and rallies, to
participate in prayers and moments of silence, and to donate their time,
money and services to the victims.

Show the country these Christian acts. Celebrate these pro-life deeds.
Encourage young Americans to emulate these people.

Fortunately, Jerry Falwell has apologized for his remarks. However, he let
an opportunity slip through his hands to show our country the right thing
to do.

As pro-life people, we're not just "anti-abortion." We're pro-life. We're
for something and not against everything. There's an alternative -- a
better way. We present realistic solutions as alternatives to women facing
crisis pregnancies and Christ's forgiveness as a solution to emotional and
personal destruction following an abortion. In the same way, instead of
condemning a nation, Falwell and Robertson should have promoted these
stories as the way things ought to be.

One day in Heaven we'll be able to thank these brave men and women for
their Christ-like actions. They proved what it means to be a Christian.
They proved what it really means to be pro-life.

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From:  Dave Horne (DaveHorne711)   9/19/2001 5:31 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (2 of 24)  
 
  202.2 in reply to 202.1  
 
<Many have spoken more elegantly than me ...> 
"... than I" ... and yes, many have spoken more elegantly than you. 

DH
 
  
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  From:  Shahrazad (fridayjones)    9/21/2001 1:55 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (3 of 24)  
 
  202.3 in reply to 202.1  
 
What a nice statement, calling to task for "this travesty to put another rhetorical tool against abortion". I am happy to read this essay. :) 
Isn't it wonderful to know that a Christian joined with a Gay man to fight together in the struggle on Flight 93 in a country often divided between the two groups? 

Such a wonderful and true statement: "he let an opportunity slip through" - to remember that any of us might let such opportunities pass by, and do what we can to not let that happen. 

"We're for something and not against everything." 

I will try to keep that in mind while I observe and speak on the secular onslaughts of religious extremists from Rousas Rushdooney to Jerry Falwell, and James Dobson to Usamah bin Muhamad bin in Laden. 






 


 
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  From:  hugo90   10/7/2001 6:57 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (4 of 24)  
 
  202.4 in reply to 202.1  
 
It was interesting until it got to the part where it referred to these good deeds as Christian Acts! It's what any decent person would have done and bears no relationship to Christianity.  
  
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  From:  RON HINTON (NELSONR0L)   10/24/2001 1:35 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (5 of 24)  
 
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>>> They and others blamed the horrific deaths of thousands on numerous political groups with whom they disagree -- including abortion advocates. << 
Well, is not an "abortion advocate' advocating killing someone? If not, then please define 'abortion' for me. 

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/24/2001 1:46 pm  
To:  RON HINTON (NELSONR0L) unread  (6 of 24)  
 
  202.6 in reply to 202.5  
 
Hi Ron,

 

After Posting that post I now sort of regret that I posted it.

 

I have only kept it on the forum so I could have the chance to stand behind the Comments of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.

 

I think the remarks that they made will go down in History as some of the Most appropriate remarks made in our Modern times.

 

It is clear that America has for the most part ceased to be a nation that is pleasing and honoring to God.

 

Thanks for your Post!

God Bless You,

David





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  From:  BLUBUTTERFLI    10/25/2001 3:09 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (7 of 24)  
 
  202.7 in reply to 202.1  
 
Jerry Falwell is not sorry. He lied. He and Robertson should be sent over to Afghanistan and find their hearts in a dark cave. Fanatical pieces of filth. 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/25/2001 3:33 pm  
To:  BLUBUTTERFLI    (8 of 24)  
 
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ok!

 

I appreciate that you are making a point but why do you feel it is necessary to use such vulgar terms, after all you are only lowering yourself.

 

I visited your forum and it is very nice, actually one of the nicest forums I have seen on Delphi. I am glad that I did take the time to visit because Im sure that your post does not accurately reflect who you are.

 

All the Best!

David





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  From:  BLUBUTTERFLI    10/25/2001 4:20 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (9 of 24)  
 
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David, I am not all that concerned about how someone may feel about me personally and my forum. The topic is Falwell's remarks. (yes, I know let's shine THAT mirror) He made a lot of people angry. Because you are christian maybe you feel it was Ok to put blame on certain groups of people that had nothing to do with terrorist attacks. I am not lowering myself by venting my anger about his remarks. I am very surprised though that few christian forums have even addressed what he DID say. Maybe out of embarassment of speaking out. 




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  From:  ADevilDoll   10/26/2001 1:03 pm  
To:  BLUBUTTERFLI    (10 of 24)  
 
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Right on, Blu!  
  
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  From:  John Keeter (jm1611)   10/26/2001 11:05 pm  
To:  BLUBUTTERFLI    (11 of 24)  
 
  202.11 in reply to 202.9  
 
Ho boy, 
Have you ever noticed that big yellow thing in the sky everyday? It's called the sun. 

It's very obvious, but I figured if any body could miss it,...it would be you. 

Pastor John M. Keeter 
Philadelphia Baptist Church 
Opelika, Alabama 

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2 Cor 5:17 "Therefore if any man be in Christ, He is a new creature, old things are passed away behold all things are become new" 



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  From:  BLUBUTTERFLI    10/27/2001 7:32 am  
To:  John Keeter (jm1611)   (12 of 24)  
 
  202.12 in reply to 202.11  
 
What was it Pastor? The signature? Or is it because I'm Pagan? Or because I don't subscribe to fanatical points of view? 



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  From:  John Keeter (jm1611)   10/27/2001 7:53 pm  
To:  BLUBUTTERFLI    (13 of 24)  
 
  202.13 in reply to 202.12  
 
Pick one :-) 



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  From:  BLUBUTTERFLI    10/27/2001 8:28 pm  
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  202.14 in reply to 202.13  
 
How about the truth, Pastor. I like hearing the truth. Problem is most people don't. 



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  From:  123four   11/15/2001 9:15 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (15 of 24)  
 
  202.15 in reply to 202.6  
 
I see judgement as beginning in the 
house of the Lord, which is in us, 
the born again Christians. The unsaved 
are doing what unsaved people do. 
Christians have not always been 
doing 'what Christians' should do. 
There has been a bit of an apostasy 
from God's teachings by the Christians. 
We should expect more from Christians 
in the way of Godly behavior, than 
we do from the unsaved. How can they 
give what they do not have in them to 
give? It's our responsibility to 
pray for all men everywhere and to 
evangelize , and live loving and Godly 
lives before them. I don't want to 
blame the unlearned and unsaved for 
ungodliness in this country or anywhere. 
The heart must be regenerated before 
Godliness can even be expected. 

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    11/15/2001 9:34 am  
To:  123four   (16 of 24)  
 
  202.16 in reply to 202.15  
 
Well Said!!

 

I have actually still been thinking about this topic. It is true that Judgment begins in the house of God, that God judges His people first.

 

I think that we as Christians are indeed somewhat disobedient and in need of Gods Just and helpful Judgment and I think that Gods Judgment is actually going on right now in the Church. As Gods judgment is helpful in leading us out of evil and into a closer relationship with Him.

 

Right now in the Church it is a time of often and Severe struggles and Severe testings. Many Christians are only loosely following God and many Christians are going through Excruciating difficulties. Difficulties of every type including medical, financial, marriage, relationships, employment, you name it.

 

And those that are following God very closely are also going through much difficulty.

 

And with All the Difficulties that the Church is having if this is Gods Judgment first on the Believers, Woe to those non-believers when they are Judged.



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  From:  Raver (StormRaver)   11/25/2001 7:32 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (17 of 24)  
 
  202.17 in reply to 202.6  
 
"I think the remarks that they made will go down in History as some of the Most appropriate remarks made in our Modern times"
Do you really believe that? If so, please, you need to seek psychological help. 
  


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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    11/25/2001 1:14 pm  
To:  Raver (StormRaver)   (18 of 24)  
 
  202.18 in reply to 202.17  
 
Hi,

 

Seek psychological help?

 

That is a broad vague statement so Im not sure what you mean by it.

 

I hope that you dont mean that America as a nation is very pleasing to God and that as God looks down on this nation and beholds the crimes and hears the cries of the innocent that God should be pleased with this nation and that God in being pleased should not allow things to happen that just might get the attention of mortal man and remind man that life is fragile, and fleeting and for man to call out and Repent and to respect God the giver and creator of this fragile, preciouis, fleeting life.



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  From:  Raver (StormRaver)   11/25/2001 2:01 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (19 of 24)  
 
  202.19 in reply to 202.18  
 
What I meant was if you, Falwell, or Robinson believe any rational God caused the WTC tragedy or allowed it to happen because of our sins, you are ill.  
 
  
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   From:  David (DavidABrown)    11/25/2001 2:40 pm  
To:  Raver (StormRaver)   (20 of 24)  
 
  202.20 in reply to 202.19  
 
Hi,

 

Is what you are saying is that there are no Consequences for the Sins of a Nation. And that God does not Bless some Nations and Overthrow other Nations.

 

Why would it be unreasonable to think that God allowed it to happen?

 

It seems that God Did allow it to happen, because it did happen and He didnt stop it. 

 

Although Much was stopped that day for instance two other planes that were targeted did not even take off into flight and the delay in the falling of the towers and the manner in which the towers fell saved many lives.

 

So since God did Allow what happened to happen He allowed it for a reason. One reason He allowed it is to get our attention, maybe we should actually Respond to God and find out just what He wants to tell us.

 

And this Includes us Christians.

 

David



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From:  craw7   11/26/2001 7:06 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (21 of 24)  
 
  202.21 in reply to 202.20  
 
Wait a minute !! Your god/myth allowed a plane full of innocent people {including children} to crash into a building full of people and die---and then have the building collapse on many hardworking fire/policemen trying to rescue them, and you think this is an act of a "SANE" loving god toward a nation believed to have gone astray?? Your so called god would be damned in any right thinking courtroom anywhere. 
How can you even think of backing up such evil ideas?? a god that would use the death of innocents as a punishment/lesson to the rest of us is a god that needs to be destroyed for its evil! 

He wants to get our attention, so he murders many thousands to do so?? Wouldn't it have been simpler and much more effective for this myth to actually appear and tell us in person----don't you see that he is only a myth perpetuated by your own silly beliefs in his power his anger hsi {Justice??}--Let's try and get real Davey--don't just pound that book---look for reality here---PLEASE!!! 


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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    11/26/2001 8:36 am  
To:  craw7   (22 of 24)  
 
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God did Not murder anyone. Sin is the murder. God is the God of life He gives life and sustains it especially Eternally for the Christian.

 

It is appointed that everyone who physically lives will also physically die. I dont think you dispute that everyone who physically lives will then physically die at some time whether "tragic" or not. God does allow tragedy to take place and what happened and happens daily throughout the world is tragic. And it needs to be tragic because Eternity in Hell separated from God is even more tragic than sudden physical death. Eternity in Hell is certain even just as certain as death for the non-believer.

 

It is the Grace and Love and Patience of the Living Caring God that allows tragedy to occur in order to present mankind with Reality. The reality of Life and Death and the Reality of Heaven and Hell.

 

The Choice is yours,

Choose Well,

See you in Heaven!

David

 



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  From:  craw7   11/26/2001 8:56 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (23 of 24)  
 
  202.23 in reply to 202.22  
 
I should have worded that more precisely---the god/myth ALLOWED the murder of thousands of innocent people in the WTC tragedy and Falwell and others took it as a warning from the god/myth and you seemed to back this evil philosophy---is not that whole scene, Falwell and all akin to condoning murder of those innocents as some warning by this "loving" god/myth of yours?? 

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   From:  craw7   11/26/2001 9:07 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (24 of 24)  
 
  202.24 in reply to 202.22  
 
>> {D}It is the Grace and Love and Patience of the Living Caring God that allows tragedy to occur in order to present mankind with Reality. The reality of Life and Death and the Reality of Heaven and Hell.<< 
Your god/myth allows such tragedy to occur to present mankind with reality??? Thousands of innocents have their lives destroyed to show us a lesson in reality??? Your thoughts are so sick as to defy logic and description!! Such ugly thoughts--imagine the suffering of the relatives of those left to carry on---I find your philosophy to be sick sick sick. 

I asked you before to please not include me in your idea of a heaven, I would have no wish to ever be a part of a place that would contain people with sick philosopy as you have outlined in your notes on this forum---Please desist ! 


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